This trial started November 24, 2003 and is
ongoing.
May 13, 2004
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8:40am
- Judge Mertel is hearing another case.
Courtroom is pretty much full.
8:50am
– Standing room only. Bob
Thompson, Roger, Jeff & James present.
Waiting for the other case to be over.
People are being noisy as fuck.
Like they are talking through the previews before a movie.
Roger preparing at the podium.
8:55am
– Other case is done. People
still filing in and out. No
more room for any spectators.
8:55am
– Marc enters.
9:05am
– Veronica enters. Song
on phone. Veronica
& Marc talking w/Jeff. James
chatting w/some observers.
9:09am
– SB & AR brought in. AR
looks at the galley and rolls his eyes.
SB comes in looking at the floor and stares at the floor
all the way to his seat. SB,
Jeff & Song in a huddle. AR
whispering to his counsel. This
courtroom used to be so much fun.
9:19am
– Judge enters. Roger
telling judge he intends to ask SB on cross about which jails he
has been in for the past 9 years.
Jeff says it appears Haslett & Shinkaruk were in the
media room when he walked by it (media room has some little
monitors that the courtroom cameras feed to) and if they watch any
of this trial they will be excluded as further witnesses.
James state Haslett & Shinkaruk are not in the media
room, but were up until that conversation.
Courtroom titters.
9:22am
– Jury brought in. SB
on stand.
Again,
I'll put things SB says in red to avoid any confussion.
Also, all questions and answers are paraphrases unless in
quotes.
9:23am
– Roger starts his cross of SB.
Roger hands SB a transcript of the May 6th
scenario and one of the Royal Scott scenario and another. June
28th scenario & July 18th scenario.
The July 26th and a copy of your direct
testimony from Tuesday. Six
transcripts in all. Roger
asks about a conversation between JM & SB in their hotel room
alone after one of the "smurfing scenarios."
Do you remember when JM asked you what narcissism is?
Yes.
He is asked what he told
JM.
He reads from the transcript where he explained the myth of
Narcissus. Roger
asks if he described it further.
SB says No.
That is a flaw in the transcript, it should be hubris.
He describes it, reading from transcript. At
the time did you believe you were narcissistic/hubris?
No.
Do you remember talking to Haslett after Whistler, telling
him that you and your
friends
were the smartest people in the world and you had no need for
anyone not as smart? I
remember part of it, but I could have said all of that.
Did you believe that when you said it?
I’m not sure if I believe it but
I thought it was a fun thing to say.
I liked to be arrogant.
Why was it fun? I
don’t know. Why
do you like to be arrogant? I
don’t know. I
just found it enjoyable to shoot my mouth off.
Wouldn’t you say that your conduct was similar to
your attitude? I can’t think of any examples
of that. This
wasn’t the only time you said you were one of the most
intelligent people on Earth, right?
“Correct.”
You believed that? Jeff
objects – asked and answered.
Judge overules – Different date. I
didn’t believe it. You
told Shinkaruk that you and your
friends
were so solid that you had done things together that no one would
go to the police about. I
did tell Shinkaruk & Haslett that when they asked if they were
solid. Did this
bond of trust pre-date the Rafay murders?
I could not have conceptualized the
trust I had with JM and AR before our ordeal.
I didn’t have conversation about trust with anyone before
I met Shinkaruk & Haslett.
9:45am
– Roger asking if by the time he talked with Haslett &
Shinkaruk he had only
friends
he could trust around him? No.
I
never made a conscious decision to be started at when I went to
school, that just happened. I
told Shinkaruk I had enough things happen to me to eliminate
anyone around me who I couldn’t trust. When
you told Shinkaruk you were smartest…. You were asked by Haslett
how people perceive you. How
do people who don’t know me think of me.
Remember that question?
What did you tell him?
I told him that people thought I
was a nice boy who people would give a ride to. Is
that all? SB
reads the transcript where he added even though I never gave
anyone a ride before I'd give you a ride because you seem like a
nice boy. I was
talking from experience because people have actually said that to
me before. SB looking
at transcript and says I don’t remember if you question before
implied that JM & AR were my only
friends
, they weren’t. Also
I don’t remember if you said the confessions or “false”
confessions, but they were false. March
2001, you were extradited to the King County Jail? Yes.
You have testified that you gave 3 statements to BPD?
Yes.
A handwritten. Yes
Taped one.
Yes.
Another taped one in the park? Yes.
You made
statements to the RCMP next. False
statements. Your
friend AR made statements. False
statements. JM – he
made very minimal false statements (chuckle). You
know if the jury believes your RCMP statements instead of the BPD
statements you will spend the rest of your life in prison?
Yes.
You said the attention you received was debilitating to
your lives. That
you registered for classes at college…
Jeff objects, says misrepresented answers.
Roger going over testimony where SB says he registered for
classes. SB
says I don’t think I said registered.
Roger points out where he DID say it.
Roger hands him a fax from the college where it says he
never registered for classes.
SB says there are two fees you have
to pay – an enrollment fee in August, which I paid, and another
when you register, which is not due until later – a week after
classes start. I never
paid that fee because I decided not to attend.
And you testified that someone gave you an
under-the-counter job. Yes.
Ron Isaacs. Your
girlfriend’s father? Yes.
What was that job? Picking
up debris at a construction site.
How much money did you get?
$12 an hour.
How much money did you make during the summer of '94?
Over $1,000.
Why did you stop working for him?
The job was over.
And you said your father & sister loaned you money.
How much. $500
a month from father. Two
$800 loans from sister. And
you had no other employment or income?
Workers’ comp.
By the way, I don’t know if it is clear – I didn’t
slip and fall, it was an old injury that was aggravated.
What did you tell
Canada
to get this money? I
had no job and a broken leg.
Can you tell the jury how in October you were stopped at
the US/Canadian boarder in
Montana
with $5000 US cash and
$8,000 Canadian cash? You
said on Tuesday you guys were broke.
Well in August Atif was broke and
in October he had money. If
I made a categorical statement saying he was broke between July
1994 and December, I would have been wrong.
What was going through your mind when you had those
thousands of dollars? I
didn’t have any money, AR had money. You
said you and AR were broke. I
didn’t use your term “broke.”
But he didn’t have money in August but did in October. Did
he pay you back, the money he loaned you?
No.
Why is it that you want us to believe that you didn’t
share in the proceeds of the estate?
SB rambles about budgeting, false
statements to the RCMP.
Says you're trying to imply I
profited from the
Bellevue
murders. Roger
says I never implied that. Jeff
stands up, objects, that's exactly what he's trying to imply
(saved SB's ass there if you ask me). Were
you going to utilize AR’s money to make the movie? If
he wanted to. Are
you saying you had no persuasive power or authority over AR
regarding the movie? I
had no power or authority over AR.
I could act like a jerk occasionally, but…
10:45am
– Break called. Veronica
eats an eight grain roll from Starbucks.
And finished it off with an Altoid.
Sara Jean and Veronica chat.
11:03am
– SB & AR brought in.
11:09am
– SB at the stand getting some coaching (I hope) from Song and
Jeff.
11:11am
– Roger resumes. Starts
asking him about the border crossing.
Were you driving at the time?
I don’t remember.
Roger starts asking about a Mustang SB and AR bought
together. SB says his
half was paid by AR who owed him $5,000.
AR then put in $5,000.
AR then put in all the money to fix the car up.
Where did you get $5000 to loan AR?
From various places:
my job, loans from my dad. Asking
about a transcript between SB & JM asking how much everything
is going to cost? 23-1/2
grand. “How much
money is there?” JM asked.
How much money is where, in the estate? Is that what JM
meant? Probably.
Your answers
– 300 grand or something. Yes. What
magazines were you reading at BN when the BPD came to interview
you? I
don’t remember. You
said that you had no control over AR, but when the police came to
get AR, you put your arm around him to keep him from the police.
I don’t remember doing it, but if
I did, I was feeling very protective of him.
I was not trying to keep him FROM the police. When
did you become skeptical about the BPD?
The evening of July 14th.
Were you skeptical of the phone placed in your hotel room?
No.
You used a pay phone to call Jimmy M. that night, when you
had a phone in your room? I
did that at the insistence of my Dad.
I called my Dad first, my girlfriend next and JM third
because that is where my girlfriend was.
What tactics did you use to track the activities of
the BPD while they were in
Canada
? We
didn't have "tactics." If someone talked to them they
would tell us, but other than that, I had not interest. When
you called JM’s house you told JM’s mother not to talk to the
BPD? No.
You are denying that? Yes.
Tell us about
Capalana
College
. You
can’t get a degree there, it’s a community college.
When AR had a holiday break in December of 1993, he came to
your house, not to his parents’ house in
Bellevue
. He
spent time at my place, I don’t remember who else he stayed
with.
11:45am
– You and AR visited JM the Monday before the murders?
Yes.
AR was with you? Yes.
I’m not sure if he got out of the car, though. Do
you remember meeting Shinkaruk outside the hair salon?
Yes.
Roger asking about his Tuesday testimony about the Whistler
scenario. Where he
said he couldn’t go to the police.
Was that true? Yes.
Would you agree that there were over 50 intercepts where
you or AR talked to people about your movie? Probably.
Noon
– Kid next to me falls asleep and falls in my lap.
Jerks awake. Asking
about their intent to do the movie.
SB says they tossed around all
sorts of budgets. From
200 to 300 thousand to just a few thousand. Roger
says the name of the script, “The Great Despisers” at any
opportunity. Asking
when they were going to film this movie, July?
We were thinking about it.
You believe this movie was going to be a hit, didn’t you?
I hoped so.
You told Haslett and Shinkaruk that if you were proven
innocent, your story would make you millions of dollars.
Did you believe that? Probably
not; just an exaggeration.
12:15pm
– Lunch break. Be
back at
1:30pm
.
12:55pm
– I wait outside the courtroom for it to be unlocked.
(This is dedication, folks.)
1:00pm
– Shyrell comes and unlocks the door.
I’m first in. Sara
Jean (Seattle Times) is next, then Noel (King County Journal) and
Tracy (Seattle PI).
We talk about how ridiculously small
the courtroom is.
1:25pm
– Observation area is about half full.
1:31pm
– Veronica and Marc joking with Jeff and Song about asking for
separate trials at this point.
All attorneys present except James.
1:34pm
– James enters, sans jacket.
1:36pm
– AR & SB brought in. Jeff
and SB chatting.
1:42pm
– A mother and her approximately 13-year-old son are sitting
next to me. She says,
“I wonder what they had for lunch in jail today?”
Son says, “Bread & water.”
1:43pm
– Judge enters. Jeff
asks for discovery from prosecution on what intercepts Roger plans
to play. Roger says
all incepts were given at discovery before the trial.
Jeff says, “Oh, you mean all 4,500 hours of them?”
Court laughs, including Roger.
Roger describes a few he plans to play, and says he has 18
others queued up to impeach the testimony of SB should he lie.
1:50pm
– Jury enters. Roger
resumes his cross examination of Burns.
Why would you say your claims to Shinkaruk about a movie
were an exaggeration? There
was no script, no budget. I
exaggerated the progress of the production.
Did you start the process soon after meeting Shinkaruk?
We started writing late May/early
June. We
turned out a rough draft the morning of July 30th.
Did you do anything else?
We thought about shooting for a day
in August. We were
asking lots of questions. We
were uninformed. We
made phone calls. We
both talked to a cinematographer and asked lots of questions.
We had a vague idea of shooting one scene in August.
Roger says let’s listen to a phone call on July 28th.
The phone call is between SB and some
cinematographer. SB
talking to him about getting together a crew.
Says the budget of the film would be 200-300k.
Cinematographer is busy.
They will drop the script off at his office.
Roger – Mr. Burns, that was you talking on
the phone. Correct.
That wasn’t
an act put on for Shinkaruk and Haslett, was it?
Correct.
This phone call was an accurate representation of what was
going on! Somewhat.
Can you tell the jury at this time where you were going to
get the 200-300k for this film?
From Atif.
Within the 1 or 2 days after that I
found out there was no money available so I wanted to get a grant.
You believed Haslett & Shinkaruk were going to take
care of these charges and that you’d
then get the insurance money and you’d have money for your film?
Yes.
You talked about movies on the way up to Whistler?
Correct.
When you were told you’d be driving a stolen car back to
Vancouver
, you were surprised, right? Correct.
When you got to the Fog & Suds, you were upset about
the money you got? That's
what I told them.
Were you satisfied with the $200 you got?
When I agreed to drive the
car the money didn’t occur to me, afterwards the money was
beside the point.
You were upset with the lack of planning for this crime. I
told him that.
2:15pm
– Roger asking SB if he had any
interest in stolen cars before the Whistler scenario?
Possibly.
I had conversations like that before, I guess that was a
sort of interest.
On May 6th you asked to buy a stolen car from
them? Correct.
2:22pm
– Do you remember on May 6th
telling them you were worried about losing touch with them?
Yes.
Was that true? No.
You asked if they know anything about wire taps?
Yes.
You said that by May 6th your
friends
had talked you out of having any black market connection? Yes.
Ask
which
friends
?
JM & AR.
Asks how to say JM's last name.
Burns tells him. Roger
says we listened to an intercept after a phone call from
Shinkaruk, where they set up a meeting date, you were singing how
happy you were. I
was singing ‘Happiness is a Warm Gun’ by the Beatles after the
intercept when Shinkaruk called. Did
anything change between May 6th and June 28th?
No.
Why work for him on June 15th & 16th?
He wouldn’t tell me about
his threat investigation until “later.”
So I had to work for him until I got that info.
You went to
Vancouver Island
with JM to find out whether you were a threat to Shinkaruk and
Haslett. Yes.
After the July 18th & 19th
scenario, you said you were glad you didn’t hang out with
Shinkaruk and Haslett. You
didn’t like him much, did you? I
don’t know.
I mean, if you are like you say, this intelligent guy who
has no use for those of lesser intelligence, you must have really
had no use for Shinkaruk. After
the May 6th scenario I didn’t like him anymore.
2:50pm
– Break.
3:15pm
– SB & AR brought back in.
3:20pm
– Jury brought back in.
Roger starts by asking about JM.
As far back as
4/13/95
you were referring to you, JM and AR to Shinkaruk and Haslett?
I suppose so.
You suppose so or you
were? When was that?
April 13. Were
you speaking of AR & JM? I
suppose so.
You were talking about your collective intelligence?
Yes.
When you were talking about your IQ, you said AR was
methodically efficient? Sort
of.
You told Haslett that?
Yes.
The reference you made to JM & AR, are those the same
individuals you were referring to when you said your
friends
would never betray you? That’s
correct.
You believed that, didn’t you? We
didn’t commit the crime and I never thought someone would give
false evidence against me.
You trusted JM as much as AR to stick to the story.
What I meant was that
Haslett did not need to kill Jimmy or, as he said, “Kill any
fucking buddies that would testify in court.”
You wanted Haslett to get rid of the evidence BPD had
against you? Yes.
You wanted Haslett to think you wanted to continue to see
Haslett so that he would get rid of the evidence against you?
After they didn’t like
that I was dismissive of their idea, then I was for it because
Shinkaruk got mad at me when I said I wasn’t interested. Weren’t
you three as close as any three
friends
can be? No.
Roger goes to transcript.
SB reads “if they were
girls I would probably marry them.”
Prior to the murders you talked to JM on several occasions.
Yes.
On July 11th you drove to
Vancouver
,
Canada
and visited JM, and Atif was with you?
Atif was in the car.
Did you ask him to come down with you to
Bellevue
? I
don’t remember.
What time did you visit him? 3’o’clock
or so? You or Atif talked to JM for
6 minutes before going out the night of the murders?
Yes. I don't remember if it
was me or Atif.
3:45pm
– The trip you made July 11, to go to
your home to get a change of clothes?
Yes.
You told Haslett you needed change of clothes for the
murder. You got money
out of the bank? Yes.
You needed money because you were going to the Keg, the
movie, Steve’s, Weathered Wall?
I needed money because we
were staying for a week instead of just the weekend.
You told Haslett you had been in every room in the house
prior to these murders. I
think so.
You took the Rafays’ car when you went to
Vancouver
? Yes.
You went through
Bellingham
on the way back to
Bellevue
. Yes.
You told Haslett you got the bat in
Bellingham
, right? Yes.
The night of the murders was the only night you two went
out together? No.
I think we went to Pagliaci’s one night.
3:50pm
– You told Haslett that JM knew about
your plan to kill the family before you went to
Bellevue
. Correct.
You told him how it felt to kill them.
Yes.
You told them in detail how it felt. I
remember Haslett asking and I gave him a solid answer.
And your answer was that you were happier that they
happened then had they not? Yes.
How did you derive that the BPD were out to get you from
Bob Thompson when you didn’t talk to him since the interview in
the park a few days after the murders?
He talked to AR’s lawyer,
my mother and Robin Puget.
Did you really fear that Bob was fabricating evidence
against you? Yes.
Why? My
dad and Ron Isaacs (girlfriend's Dad) said so.
You want us to believe you were just a witness, how you say
your phone is bugged? Why
would you believe that? My
father was adamant that the phone in our hotel room was bugged. Why
did you believe your dad? He
said Bob Thompson said to his Dad, “Nice kid, eats a lot.”
Meaning his alibi had him eating all over the
Puget Sound
area. Says his dad
talked to a lawyer who said if it was my kid I do down and pick
him up.
4:15pm
- Court ends for the day.
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